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paulston@pitt.edu Mar 4, 2010 1:05 am

Dennis, admit that "the power of you and I" sounds like an abomination, even if we both (or at least I ) would add that such usage, found even in English middle class use vide PBS Saturday night BBC comiccs, is most likely an indication of ongoing pronoun case loss. Christina

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sjones@sltnet.lk Mar 4, 2010 1:59 pm

The point is that there is a feeling in English that you use the strong form of the pronoun after 'and', as you do in French'The problem is that there is not agreement in English as to which is the strong form. Traditionally it has been 'me', following the example of the French 'moi', but now there are many who feel it is 'I'. Hyper-correction doesn't help either.

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kmdavisus@yahoo.com Mar 4, 2010 6:39 pm

I would say, rather, that in English we now feel that conjoined NPs don't decline the same way that single NPs, and why should they? They don't take the same verbs, either. It's probably part of ongoing case-marker loss, and the sooner all pronouns join "you" and "it" in mimicking nouns the better, I say. (Or "says me", which opens a whole other can of worms...) - The Ridger

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mandelbaumf@netzero.net Mar 7, 2010 6:53 pm

We need grammar. You can't sit on "chair"; chair is just a word, in English, for that object designed to be sat upon. Language is an agreement that 'this symbol' represents 'that concept', and grammar is the rules that make that agreement work. There's a big difference between a house cat and a cat house, because, in English, adjectives precede nouns. Maybe a day to remind us about grammar is a good idea (although it's easy to go overboard about it, and easy to poke fun at it), because we're all aware of how many bad influences are out there.

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